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http://therightstuff.biz/2016/12/11/edgecucks-a-study-in-unwitting-cuckoldry/

Written by and contributed on behalf of Ghoul

There is an issue that has become prevalent enough for me to feel it warrants being properly addressed-- this issue having been a constant nuisance for our movement. It isn’t an issue among the head figures of the Alt-Right, but rather an error of judgment on behalf of their followers seeking to prove some form of group exceptionalism. I’m not seeking to “cast out” these individuals, but rather offer constructive criticism, as I believe they simply have not fully thought through their approach. I am speaking of edgecucking; the great sin of the emotional aspie.

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I. The Dumb Justification

“People place you into the caricature of the emotional unstable ugly-neo-nazi, so you ought to just own up and become that caricature!”

Firstly, this premise is both wrong and dishonest.

This is wrong because “people” do not place the Alt-Right into this caricature- the Left does. The reason they do so isn’t done out of honesty (although perhaps for some of the stupid ones, it is). The Left does this because this caricature is a turn off to the entire globe, and in this, they try to emotionally manipulate the honest normal folk of our race away from honestly investigating the Alt-Right. They recognize our victory lies in our placing what was previously a fringe position into the everyday discussions of normal individuals. Trying to viciously embody fringe-ism is counterproductive to our victory. We were all non-political types in the past, and for the vast bulk of us, it wasn’t edge which brought us to our racialist and nationalist views. It was honest discussions and talking points forced into the dark by the political status quo. Normalization sold us. Not shitty NSBM music layered over goose-stepping collages.

Furthermore, this premise is dishonest because it assumes the Alt-Right is a matter of personal identification and LARP rather than a coalition of ideologies and peoples with a unifying goal in mind. We aren’t using politics to escape our damn society; we are trying to save our damn society. When one’s personal politics are comprised of nothing but edgy music and seductive reactive feces, more often than not these individuals are participating in a form of rebellion against all things. In a way, virtually mimicking the second wave black metal scene in Scandinavia; a whole lot of talk about an underlying profound esotericism behind all the symbolism and candle-lit music sessions, but when the core is reached, all that is to be found is an alienated angry White kid.

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I understand the alienation faced by such members of the Alt-Right. It is a product of the forced diversification of our homes, the destruction of our identity, the removal of gender norms, and all other elements of our culture which gave us a true sense of belonging. The reaction is to be expected, especially in the younger (more ambitious and emotional) members of the Alt-Right. However, the reaction accomplishes nothing. It’s an irrelevant dead end. If you are guilty of this, and you are man enough to recognize it, the time has come for you to get your jimmies straight and actually start being productive.

Note: I am not suggesting those honestly calling themselves “national socialists” or other fringe ideologies are being dishonest. There is an obvious underlying context here between the honest, and the dishonest edgecuck.

II. Why it’s Cucking

When you begin to allow the pathetic insults of the Left (ignorant racist, ugly bigot, klan member, evil-neo-nazi, white trash, etc.) to affect the way you would otherwise live your normal life, and the way you view yourself, you are cucking. You’re not spooking the egalitarian supremacists with leather jackets, patches, switchblades, and edgy swastika avatars online. You’re being their little bitch. You become the normie-repellant they want you to be. The Left says jump, and you respond “how high?” They couldn’t ask for a better pet.

You are not part of some violent extremist revolutionary circle. You are not overthrowing a government. You are not intimidating anyone outside of facebook cat-ladies. You’re a social outcast fantasizing about ropes and crosses in between hentai fap-sessions. You are the bottom barrel of what the Alt-Right has to offer; a haven for outcasts to out-LARP one another for status and approval among our dregs, and you will be a dancing puppet for the Left if it means effective escapism.

Don’t cucksplain to me that “normal people are useless.” Normalization is how we win. That doesn’t mean we necessarily need to “win over” every normie in town. It simply means our position becomes normalized. I can see how this concept is intimidating to edgecucks, as their means of irrelevant rebellion against all things loses its potency, and they might have to turn to some black metal to engage in their prolonged teenage angst.

Now, of course, I am not suggesting that being associated with “nazi” or “radical” imagery is in and of itself a bad thing. I don’t care. It’s not about the association, and that’s the entire point. When the Left points and cries “evil nazi,” the obvious proper response is to either not care, or even better yet, laugh at them. Normalization comes with removing the power of these buzzwords and labels to the normal day-to-day people; not trying to double down in the Left’s tactics. That’s cucking hard for them, and accomplishes nothing but establishing a speedbump for our momentum. Effectively, you might as well be supporting Bill (((Kristol))).

Thus concludes today’s lesson on edgecucking.

I think we're getting under his skin, guys.

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This is dull. It assumes that if you're not alt right you're part of the groups like the NSM and that weird fuck who tried to take over Leith and it comes from an American focus. What's interesting is that he says the alt-right is for normalisation and removing the power of buzzwords, but surely people accepting that their fascistic tendencies and displaying them is part of that process? 

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This article is retarded.  

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Furthermore, this premise is dishonest because it assumes the Alt-Right is a matter of personal identification and LARP rather than a coalition of ideologies and peoples with a unifying goal in mind.

Yeah the alt-right is definitely a "serious coalition" which is why it is filled with people who masturbate to anime porn and worship cartoon frogs. People in the Alt-Right LARP as parliamentary politicians. They think that "Oh since the Marxists infiltrated the government I can do the same", this notion is ridiculous since the Marxists had the support of Jewish High Finance and the Jewish Controlled Media which allowed them to take over the government of the United States. If the Alt-Right takes what they are doing seriously they would have realized this by now just from looking at the history of various Right-wing movements. People from Ironmarch have told them this numerous times and backed it up with historical examples but they still stick to the "We can infiltrate anything" mentality.

What has the Alt-Right done? They have created intellectual conferences with Dicky Spencer that have only made them look worse with Spencer's low energy speeches that make him look like the racist version of Jeb Bush, as well as inviting Faggots and Asian porn stars to those said conferences. They have two IRL groups, Identity Europa and American Vanguard. Identity Europa is run by a fed who got below minimum sentencing for a hate crime and has threatened to report members of his movement to the feds. The other group American Vanguard copied Atomwaffen's aesthetics and have TRS ideals. 

Meanwhile actual Fascist movements like NA have been so successful that the British government views it as a threat and is trying to ban it. Fascist movements across Europe like Nord-front and the Golden Dawn are seeing a huge increase in support.

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Don’t cucksplain to me that “normal people are useless.”

"You thinking appeasing lemmings with moderation is useless? What are you some kind of cuck?"

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Normalization is how we win.

What is normal changes all the time as society continues to degenerate, if things continue as they have been it will be 10 years before pedophilia will become "normal". If people are forced to choose between radical National Socialism and letting their Children get molested they will choose radical National Socialism. There is no need to be moderate.

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This is pretty fucking embarrassing. What he doesn't understand is that if you are strong the Normies come to you, if you do circlejerk intellectual forums you gain nothing. I honestly want to know what his end goal is. You can't vote your way out of this(at least not in america), you aren't ever going to have enough money to economically kick out the jew. What is the plan? No one is going to vote for you, not miss already hate you, and even if you got the support of every white person in America there are to many non-whites to vote out of this. But yeah normalization is the key, that is what's going to work if the Normies think some fag who won't even FIGHT for his people saying mean things through posters is around they will up and say please go back to Africa Mr.black and will you please go back to Mexico Mr.Hispanic.

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35 minutes ago, the grand prICE wizard said:

What is normal changes all the time as society continues to degenerate, if things continue as they have been it will be 10 years before pedophilia will become "normal". If people are forced to choose between radical National Socialism and letting their Children get molested they will choose radical National Socialism. There is no need to be moderate.

I have seen to many examples of the opposite, not to be a defeatist but we shouldn't rely on plebs to accept fascism 1463581126139

We need to change the course of this shit 

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Really everything he's saying is based off the mistaken assumption that we share the same fundamental beliefs, that I agree with the alt-right but I've gone for the edgelord aesthetic. This comment on the TRS article illustrates my point:

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Yes, that's a reasonable statement if you are not in fact a nazi like they claim. What if you fucking are? What if you think Hitler was one of the greatest men who ever lived and you're a follower of the national socialist worldview?

>w..wait, some people actually agree with Hitler? I thought everybody who made a roman salute was just an ironic memeing retard

1 hour ago, Tuna said:

It isn’t an issue among the head figures of the Alt-Right, but rather an error of judgment on behalf of their followers seeking to prove some form of group exceptionalism.

I'm not a follower or supporter of anybody who describes themselves as alt-right.

1 hour ago, Tuna said:

“People place you into the caricature of the emotional unstable ugly-neo-nazi, so you ought to just own up and become that caricature!”

Firstly, this premise is both wrong and dishonest.

This is wrong because “people” do not place the Alt-Right into this caricature- the Left does. The reason they do so isn’t done out of honesty (although perhaps for some of the stupid ones, it is). The Left does this because this caricature is a turn off to the entire globe, and in this, they try to emotionally manipulate the honest normal folk of our race away from honestly investigating the Alt-Right.

I don't make an effort to be seen as a nazi psycho though- I don't have to. My honest views on the world are enough for people to think I'm an insane authoritarian asshole so I have nothing to larp. To be fair, most people would say the same about you and your movement if you didn't do as much Spencer style verbal gymnastics.

>the nazi salutes are just a meme, anything you don't like about us is a meme, but please deport the coloreds pls?

Anybody considered a normal person by the majority is a degenerate fuck.

1 hour ago, Tuna said:

We were all non-political types in the past, and for the vast bulk of us, it wasn’t edge which brought us to our racialist and nationalist views. It was honest discussions and talking points forced into the dark by the political status quo.

I am currently non-political. Politics is the definition of intellectual inaction. I don't advocate any political ideas, only a worldview and a social order. I make this distinction because worldviews are not formed from honest debates or talking points. It's an innate thing more related to your character. I am now who I've always been, a militarist authoritarian and committed hater of western values. That came from my own experience, not from a chat with a friendly normalized altright intellectual.

2 hours ago, Tuna said:

We aren’t using politics to escape our damn society; we are trying to save our damn society. When one’s personal politics are comprised of nothing but edgy music and seductive reactive feces, more often than not these individuals are participating in a form of rebellion against all things. In a way, virtually mimicking the second wave black metal scene in Scandinavia; a whole lot of talk about an underlying profound esotericism behind all the symbolism and candle-lit music sessions, but when the core is reached, all that is to be found is an alienated angry White kid.

You are trying to save your society because you're a conservative. We aren't. "rebellion against all things" is a pretty good summary. Every element of our society and culture in the 21st century is contrary to the natural order. This isn't edge, this is the fact of our worldview. You can call it edge if you like, but that raises the question- is it still edge if those are your honest views? Surely edge isn't determined by what your views are per-se but the intentions behind holding those views. If you believe these things or you're dishonest for the sake of controversy. Otherwise literally anybody could be accused of being an edgelord by anybody else who sees themselves as being an inch more rational than you, and the term loses all of it's meaning. So really what the fuck is the point of calling anybody an edgelord?

Alienated angry white kids change the world.

2 hours ago, Tuna said:

You are not part of some violent extremist revolutionary circle. You are not overthrowing a government. You are not intimidating anyone outside of facebook cat-ladies.

This is true in the sense that none of us really has the right to call ourselves revolutionaries until we've actually started taking proactive steps. Thing is, the same applies to you. The alt-right has achieved literally nothing. At the least, we have Breivik. "Normalizing nationalism" is not an achievement. Trump isn't an achievement. Memes are not an achievement. Making cringy as fuck TV interviews are not achievements. Dead enemies is the only achievement of value.

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Chuckled at this, mostly because its like an anticipation of the article I'm writing right now, only weak and very dumb, especially the opening point:

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“People place you into the caricature of the emotional unstable ugly-neo-nazi, so you ought to just own up and become that caricature!”

Our point was always that those of us who ARE Nazis should fucking call ourselves that, not because "might as well" BUT BECAUSE THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT WE ARE. The "emotional unstable ugly" part is entirely irrelevant, they can portray us however they like but we won't back away from our principles because of that, and in doing so we will actually show what real Nazis are like as opposed to the dumbass stereotype. MEANWHILE our criticism towards these maggots has always been that they are the ones who are trying to deflect the inevitable accusation of "you're Nazis!" by memeing it - "haha, yeah I guess we don't like democracy all that much, guess we are kinda fashy!" which is just another form of defensive posturing that puts one at a disadvantage against the enemy, which they still do in the end regardless soon as they are pressed with it:

Spencer at NPI: HAIL TRUMP, HAIL OUR PEOPLE, HAIL VICTORY! *raises cup* *people sieg heiling in the room*
Spencer to Nigger on TV: well no, it's all just good fun and exuberance, it's not real, it's just memes *PEEEPAAAAY*
Spencer to another reporter: we are not nazis.

If you're not Fascist/NS then stop using shit associated with Fascism/NS in your fucking memes and presentation, if you ARE Fascist/NS then stop pretending that you're not - it's that fucking simple (also stop trying to act like we're on the same side when you do this shit). Our whole beef with TRS was over this, to figure out what the hell they are. And we finally got our answer.

EDIT: so basically I didn't read Neizbezh's post where he says the same stuff. Consider this a shorter version of the same point.

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3 minutes ago, Александр Славрос said:

Spencer at NPI: HAIL TRUMP, HAIL OUR PEOPLE, HAIL VICTORY! *raises cup* *people sieg heiling in the room*

 

Spencer to Nigger on TV: well no, it's all just good fun and exuberance, it's not real, it's just memes *PEEEPAAAAY*
Spencer to another reporter: we are not nazis.

If you're not Fascist/NS then stop using shit associated with Fascism/NS in your fucking memes and presentation, if you ARE Fascist/NS then stop pretending that you're not - it's that fucking simple (also stop trying to act like we're on the same side when you do this shit). Our whole beef with TRS was over this, to figure out what the hell they are. And we finally got our answer.

I total agree.

Group like TRS; NPI; DailyStormer, MR and other "Alt-Right" are probably run by Zionist Organization of America, to give bad name to real National Socialist and patriot by making them look like clown and troll. They wants patriot to trick for vote for Zionist billionaire Trump and Zionist Republican party.

Real National Socialist would never regret if gets called Nazi, is word we should not be a shame of. Look at fear in face of communist if they say you, you evil Nazi with hopeing you will run away and you stay say, yes I Nazi, and proud.

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Just now, RodzaevskyLivesForever said:

DailyStormer, MR and other "Alt-Right" are probably run by Zionist Organization of America,

RamZPaul is that you?

 

You guys ought to take this to the comments section of the article, there's already people in there shitting on Ghoul.

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3 minutes ago, Tuna said:

RamZPaul is that you?

Ram z paul is also support of Zionist Billionaire Trump and Zionist Republican Party. Big similarity with DailyStormer and NPI. All of them stupid. I watch his video only once time than I bored of Zionist propaganda of Trump.

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Just now, Tuna said:

You guys ought to take this to the comments section of the article, there's already people in there shitting on Ghoul.

Eh why bother. I mean I'm writing an article on this topic anyway, will probably release it around New Year, but for anyone else it's just largely a waste of time to hammer in the same points we always make.

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Just now, ZHICA said:

who the fuck is Ghoul?

A trs writer

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I like how it's always implied that secular White Nationalism is a default position to have in these circles. A rational one, the golden middle. While radical NS people are just there, to the right of them, a vanguard that they tolerate or something. "Liberals have their communists, we have Nazis." 
Your secular WN that holds no higher principles and ideals and it's defined only by IQ charts, crime statistics and anti-immigration stance won't inspire anyone to kill and die for his people and the Fatherland.

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> You are not part of some violent extremist revolutionary circle. You are not overthrowing a government. You are not intimidating anyone outside of facebook cat-ladies. You’re a social outcast fantasizing about ropes and crosses in between hentai fap-sessions. You are the bottom barrel of what the Alt-Right has to offer; a haven for outcasts to out-LARP one another for status and approval among our dregs, and you will be a dancing puppet for the Left if it means effective escapism.

This nigger just described the alt-right and white nationalists, and nothing else. I don't know what planet this dude thinks he is living on, but he needs to look at his own movement. What are they doing? Dressing up in suits and going to the bar with their "fashy haircuts". The other half of them are doing exactly what ghoul described, jacking off to hentai and scaring facebook catladies. The alt-right only exists on the internet, and in various conference rooms throughout the US. Nothing they have done or will ever do has a chance of altering the course of history in a way that is not favorable to the current order. They are just one of hundreds of modern subcultures that no one else in the greater world cares about. They have their own lingo, their own inside jokes, their own clothing style, and their own stereotypes. Its really just a pass time for people who want to feel like their hobby is a bit more edgy than that of the majority.

Now, its not really a bad thing that they are ineffectual because I consider the alt-right to be part of the enemy. We don't really agree on anything. They are just liberals who have found a new victim status that they can claim, and who see that their weak and depraved liberal dystopias are about to be crushed by forces that have remained stronger than them. The alt-right and white nationalism can been viewed as the immune system of the liberal order reacting to a threat. This is why they hate real fascists like us because they realize that we are just another threat to their pumpkin spice and cummies. Clearly though, their immune system is very weak because these guys will accomplish nothing in saving their retarded societies that have reached the breaking point of decadence and the end of a cycle. They are the last breath of a dying society.

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The premise they start from that the masses have ever been important is flawed. The masses will reflect the society, the container they are in. They will have dignity or you can rob them of it completely. What happens to them is not important. The mass movement will always fail because it cannot recognize that it is great people who move history, and they do so alone. They cannot accept this because they are rejecting their own destiny and potential with all the effort that calls for, or they are genetically doomed anyway. Keep pretending you are doing something TRS, never change please. 

**They even admit that society is changed and perverted by a small minority. The Jews via cultural Marxism. Aka the Death Force's version of a Vanguard. This ruins their precious western civilization they care so much about. Vanguards, remarkable people or groups with powerful ideas, this is what shapes the society. Not fucking memes. 

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6 hours ago, Tuna said:

RamZPaul is that you?

 

You guys ought to take this to the comments section of the article, there's already people in there shitting on Ghoul.

Every single thing I post gets deleted as spam. I have tried at least 6 times now and had someone else try to find my comments. People are even up voting me in the few seconds before my comments disappear. Either the moderators are cowards, or disqus is ass.

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21 minutes ago, Endsieg said:

Every single thing I post gets deleted as spam. I have tried at least 6 times now and had someone else try to find my comments. People are even up voting me in the few seconds before my comments disappear. Either the moderators are cowards, or disqus is ass.

Probably mods, disqus doesn't randomly delete comments and TRS can get pretty butthurt when you argue against them.

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6 hours ago, Александр Славрос said:

If you're not Fascist/NS then stop using shit associated with Fascism/NS in your fucking memes and presentation, if you ARE Fascist/NS then stop pretending that you're not - it's that fucking simple (also stop trying to act like we're on the same side when you do this shit). Our whole beef with TRS was over this, to figure out what the hell they are. And we finally got our answer.

 

Agreed

They (TRS/Spencerites) will go on and on about identity, and how identity is the most important thing yet this is exactly what their entire group lacks. They are all cucking for each other and are just gaining social capital among the moderates and all the factions of non NS in their group by bashing the means and end we want without actually presenting means to their extremely varied ends. They aren't going to stop being fags so we ought not take them seriously and I wouldn't consider them a friend. Though trying to convert the more dedicated in their ranks is probably worth the effort.

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Yes, we truly could learn something from the alt-right. The movement of faggots, trannies, epic memers, and neckbeards, all united under the common cause of... uh... Posting Trump memes? 

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On 12/11/2016 at 11:35 AM, RodzaevskyLivesForever said:

I total agree.

Group like TRS; NPI; DailyStormer, MR and other "Alt-Right" are probably run by Zionist Organization of America, to give bad name to real National Socialist and patriot by making them look like clown and troll. They wants patriot to trick for vote for Zionist billionaire Trump and Zionist Republican party.

DailyStormer

Probably the least gay group you listed, while they aren't where we are 883648e50a8f12991124e9c63144f8dc.jpg they don't cuck like the rest, I realize anglin is, well anglin, but he doesn't go around telling people nazis are bad guys, hell they often shower praise on us for actually doing shit. http://www.dailystormer.com/university-of-chicago-pro-hitler-stickers-send-jews-into-panic-mode/ http://www.dailystormer.com/brave-nazi-troll-protests-homo-vigil-gets-fired/

 

That doesn't mean we should treat them like one of us, they certainly are not actual nazis (the worlds leading republican news website seems fascist to me bro), but they are the only explicit sympathizers we have.

22 hours ago, TeenageCavemaan said:

Agreed

They (TRS/Spencerites) will go on and on about identity, and how identity is the most important thing yet this is exactly what their entire group lacks. They are all cucking for each other and are just gaining social capital among the moderates and all the factions of non NS in their group by bashing the means and end we want without actually presenting means to their extremely varied ends. They aren't going to stop being fags so we ought not take them seriously and I wouldn't consider them a friend. Though trying to convert the more dedicated in their ranks is probably worth the effort.

This, it's one of the things that drew me towards this place, it has a foundation they do not, we have an ideological anchor that says, "this is what we are if you don't fit x you are not one of us". But ANYONE can be on the aut right, hell one of their new major in fight problems is the difference between people that just want trump, and people that want trump, and white people countries. 

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Long back, he was the one who suggested an open sodomite to be a mod of some stupid shit, and even to this day he goes about with the pathetic excuse "I don't care what people do in their bedroom as long as [insert beliefs]". He had an grudge against Common Filth simply after appearing the first time on the daily Shoah. He never showed any signs of being an right minded person you would expect this. Then he bitches about role playing and hentai? Maybe he is projecting his inward sins? Who knows. 

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To be frank, I don't know what he is trying to accomplish with this message. I get who he's criticizing; the skinhead, tatted up, drug using Neo-nazi who acts as a Fascist in name only, rather than knocking off the degeneracy and bowing to God and the ironclad laws of nature as Fascism demands. Knowing this, I still wonder why he's doing that. Criticize them because their behavior is super degenerate and they're hurting themselves, not because of "optics in the eyes of the normie." Normies don't care. So long as they're fed and have a television to come home too, nothing else matters to them. They still think Nazism and Communism were the same thing and never bother trying to figure out why the two "same things" were fighting each other to begin with. 

Assuming the normie did actually care, I just don't see the point regardless. Black on white crime is 2x higher than white on black. Blacks are less than one fourth of the white population in america, and they still manage to deal out more in flat crime numbers. Equalize the populations and you're looking at an average rate of 8-10x as much black on white crime as white on black. In short, don't leash the skinheads if they want to race war. 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

I just can't generate the interest to care beyond typing this comment. Strike from truth and you'll win every time. They can only use violence to silence you at that point. Second they do that, you're justified to completely break them.

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What has Ghoul and TRS ever accomplished? Because we just had a group that got so much attention that the BritZOG had to ban them. I'm fucking done with these faggots.

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