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[Thunder&Steel]

Alexander Slavros, on 02 July 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

HAH! A tall order that is extremely hard to back up. Let's see your proof.

You're asking me to reveal my identity on a Fascist website? I don't think so. All I can tell you is that a hefty chunk of Russia's noble families were descent from Rurik.
I hold no titles, courtesy of Bolshevism, and I lead a quiet life. I'm also quite young.
All that my family really has left are a handful of portraits, a handful of family heirlooms, and a bunch of diaries and books, all detailing the noble bloodlines of my family (necessary for hereditary titles).
Where I reside, it really isn't that difficult to come across a person of some noble descent.
I must note that my father's mother is my only connection to these bloodlines, and that my mother is of kozak stock.

[Александр Славрос]

Yeah, two things:

First of all your father's mother does not a direct connection make. I have a direct connection to my great grandfather, because I am the son of his son's son. That's a direct connection. And secondly: calling bullshit on you right now.

Glad we go that out of the way. Carry on as you were.

[Vladimir]

Why would you first boast your aristocratic heritage and then go "uh cn't rveal dad shit, cuz fascist forum (whut?)" completely ridiculous. If you are a noble you sure as hell do not act like one. gais, do you still remember how fascap and natcap are BOTH 40 y/o businessmen? lol

[Dux]

Thunder&Steel, on 02 July 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

I hold no titles, courtesy of Bolshevism, and I lead a quiet life. I'm also quite young.

If Russia recognized titles of nobility in pretense, what title would you hold? Not that it quite matters, as the Romanoff Imperial House is the only one that matters in regards to Russia. I suppose you would be one of the princely families of Rurik descent and probably one of those who have lost their titles or let them lie in abeyance; though possibly of a cadet branch of the House. Russia, as I recall, used and still uses Agnatic primogeniture rather than Uterine primogeniture, and thus your claim to nobility -even if you are of the House of Rurik- is rather shaky and I would be surprised were you entitled to anything other than a courtesy title. Age has nothing to do with it, either. The Napoleonic King of Rome was I believe crowned as an infant; so if you're looking for a way to weasel out of your claim, that will not save you.

[Eagle Eye]

I am a german by my fathers side. My mother is a russian.
My mothers parents were Кулаки (Kulaks) in the tsaristic russia, which were dispossessed and later deported by the soviets to Kyrgyzstan. (Were later my mother was born)
My grandfather went to siberia for several months each year to work there. So, they had enough money to get all 2-4 years a new car.
He was a lucky man. In WW2 he got woundet in the first years, so he could get at home. After the accident in Chernobyl they wanted to send him as one of the first group of soldiers. (They died almost all) But he already had 2 cardiac infarction, the doctor told him, the third one would be the last one. So he could hadnt to go to chernobyl. The reason, why he is still alive. I am glad about that!!


The parents of my father were also deported to asia, but first after the WW2. (Cuz they were germans)
There they lived in a german village, with only one russian teacher.
My german grandmother is a true prussian. She was and still today a hard working woman. Her husband (my grandfather) died, when my father was 13-15. (I never met him)
But they told me this first, when I was 14. (Because my grandmother married later an other man, which I thought long is my grandfather...)
I was later born in Bischkek.
I often saw my great grandmother, but never knew, who she realy was. First, when I asked who the man on the photo was, they told me everything about that. It was a terrible feeling.

Now I live in germany and hate all of this sick shit. I feel like a GRU soldier behind the enemy lines. Not because I dont like germany, but I hate the western block. (Nato and Co.)
I hate it to be a russian patriot and to live in germany. Something has gone terribly wrong in my life....
Always looking for truth in this world and found out, that everybody lies. When I will leave this world, I want that this fuckers of Rothschild and friends will remember my name!
There can be no compromise! And there will be no!

Слава России

Eagle Eye

[Thunder&Steel]

Dux, on 02 July 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

If Russia recognized titles of nobility in pretense, what title would you hold? Not that it quite matters, as the Romanoff Imperial House is the only one that matters in regards to Russia. I suppose you would be one of the princely families of Rurik descent and probably one of those who have lost their titles or let them lie in abeyance; though possibly of a cadet branch of the House. Russia, as I recall, used and still uses Agnatic primogeniture rather than Uterine primogeniture, and thus your claim to nobility -even if you are of the House of Rurik- is rather shaky and I would be surprised were you entitled to anything other than a courtesy title. Age has nothing to do with it, either. The Napoleonic King of Rome was I believe crowned as an infant; so if you're looking for a way to weasel out of your claim, that will not save you.

Well, the most detailed bloodline stems from this character:
http://en.wikipedia....av_of_Chernigov

Note that it states this:
In the later 17th century, when the Velvet Book was being compiled by the Russian aristocracy, the Lopukhins, Ushakovs, and several other noble families, seeking for illustrious pedigrees, asserted their descent from Mstislav's postulated son Roman, who was allegedly married to Rededya's daughter. This fable has been repeated in numerous genealogical compilations of later date. Other version states that Mstislav had a daughter Tatyana who married Rededya's son Roman.

A noteworthy biographer of one of my relatives claims this account is actually a fact, that we are related to this Tatyana character. Our family tree is well-detailed and my relative in Canada, a professor, is writing a book on the subject. His wife is my grandmother's cousin, so she holds just as much claim to this as I do.

The Russian artcle:
http://ru.wikipedia....%80%D1%8B%D0%B9

Here is the source:
Веселовский С. Б. Исследования по истории класса служилых землевладельцев. — М.: Наука, 1969. Поскольку многие сведения о Редегиных являются легендарными и не подтверждены никакими другими источниками, то существование Татианы недостоверно.

It is suggested, according to the Russian text above, that her existence may be unreliable, but here's an article on her nevertheless:
http://ru.wikipedia....%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F

Sources on her taken from the wiki page:

Веселовский С. Б. Исследования по истории класса служилых землевладельцев. — М.: Наука, 1969. — 584 с. — 4500 экз.

Зимин А. А. Формирование боярской аристократии в России во второй половине XV — первой трети XVI в. — М.: Наука, 1988. — 350 с. — 16 000 экз. — ISBN 5-02-009407-2

However, all that aside, the official Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project clearly lists the surname of my ancestors:
http://www.familytre...public/rurikid/
(surname can be found on this official page connected with the one above):
http://freepages.gen...eksty/ydna.html

So there you have it, aside from uploading pictures of the portraits that hang at my grandmother's, and top hats, aristocratic wedding invitations, books on our genealogy written by great-great-great-great-great grandfathers, and so-on, and so-forth.

I must note that my family does not just stem from the bloodline that I'm talking about. We have Bavarian noble ancestry, as well as Serbian and French.

Here's another article on Tatyana:
http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Person:263509
You can click through the section that says "From grandparents to grandchildren."
It accurately links the genealogy.

[Александр Славрос]

You're linking yourself to the Rurik dynasty through the Redegyns? Yeah that quote you gave is quite accurate in saying that most information on this family is substance of legends, not any actual documentation. This is what is typically called "an in", a gray area to exploit in order to get your way into nobility, and it's been done before - unoriginal.

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A noteworthy biographer of one of my relatives claims

Noteworthy according to whom? Name of said biographer plz.

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His wife is my grandmother's cousin, so she holds just as much claim to this as I do.

Nobody has any claims to anything! The gravy train is long gone, there is nothing to claim, you get nothing for this but an inflated sense of self importance over nothing!

And for the record: posting like you post is ridiculous, we can very well see the links provided on the wikipedia page for ourselves without you first giving a link to the wiki and then links and quotes from the page itself.

[Traum von Eisen]

Boyd Rice is a descendant of Jesus, enough said.

[ironpharaoh]

William, on 02 May 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

An autistic one...

Altnough in her defense, National Socialism is not explicitly racial. Ba'athism is essentially Arab NS, for instance.

William, on 02 May 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

An autistic one...

Altnough in her defense, National Socialism is not explicitly racial. Ba'athism is essentially Arab NS, for instance.

But Baathism is at some point racial

[William]

ironpharaoh, on 04 July 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

But Baathism is at some point racial

Right, I am saying NS can be malleable and applied to different people at different times. Still, out and out swastika waving Hitler loving NS seems utterly ridiculous to me for anyone who isn't a German in the 30s.

[ironpharaoh]

Well Im Egyptian but I have Iraqi Kurdish blood from my maternal side also on paternal side I may have some french descent from the days of the crusades. My maternal side is mostly consists of high aristocrats in the country side and rich land owners . My dad's side is mostly military.But both parents are doctors now.

[ironpharaoh]

William, on 04 July 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Right, I am saying NS can be malleable and applied to different people at different times. Still, out and out swastika waving Hitler loving NS seems utterly ridiculous to me for anyone who isn't a German in the 30s.

William, on 04 July 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Right, I am saying NS can be malleable and applied to different people at different times. Still, out and out swastika waving Hitler loving NS seems utterly ridiculous to me for anyone who isn't a German in the 30s.

You cant go out as Rockwell dressed in SA uniforms and expect stuff to happen . The nazi had one thing that any political scene needs intelligence

[William]

ironpharaoh, on 04 July 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

You cant go out as Rockwell dressed in SA uniforms and expect stuff to happen . The nazi had one thing that any political scene needs intelligence

Exactly. Groupe like that are playing pretend and are stuck in a time and place completely unrelatee to thrm. They should be progressing and revolutionizing ideas. Not waving tired flags and worthless banners or dong piblicity stunts.

[Elburzito]

Traum von Eisen, on 04 July 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Boyd Rice is a descendant of Jesus, enough said.

PROVE IT!!!

[William]

Elburzito, on 04 July 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

PROVE IT!!!

There is a whole website devoted to it. And we know everything on the internet is true. It's how I learned about tue Jews and the innate supremacy of the White man. Also, Freemasons.

[Traum von Eisen]

Elburzito, on 04 July 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

PROVE IT!!!

Boyd Rice wrote books in which he traced his lineage back to King Solomon, King David and Jesus Christ.

[Elburzito]

Heh, never heard about that

[Traum von Eisen]

Elburzito, on 04 July 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Heh, never heard about that

He is the Messiah of the Russian People. He even subconsciously influenced Slavros.

[Александр Славрос]

Iron Youth as a collocation existed since WW1. In fact I got it from Ben originally.

Also why the fuck are you discussing Boyd Rice? Get the hell out of this topic unless you're talking about your heritage/ancestry.

[Traum von Eisen]

Alexander Slavros, on 04 July 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Iron Youth as a collocation existed since WW1. In fact I got it from Ben originally.

Ah, how could I forget about AQOTWF and Kantorek. Excuse the misconception.