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What is fascism?

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Foreword

I'm itching to fill a certain gap in the forum litterature, which is a simple, clear and concise definition of fascism, which doesn't rely on complex language, esoteric concepts and symbols, or assume the reader is already quite familiar with fascist history and literature. There are two reasons I really want to do this: first, this topic comes up again and again with newer members, and a familiar yet tiresome debate ensues every time. Second, even after all I've read (and all I've written!) on the subject, I find I still struggle to think of a simple, definitive explanation of what fascism IS(rather than what it ISN'T), that would be immediately understood by someone who's totally uninitiated.

 

Ideology VS World-view

When a man is on a journey, he needs a few things to insure he'll have a good trip. He first of all needs to know where he wants to go, to have some idea of his destination, even if it's just a feeling (go where it's warmer) or a vague direction (east). He'll also need maps, which contain the knowledge that will get him to his destination. In life, a man's destination is determined by his values, and he makes tactical decisions on a day to day basis according to his knowledge or ideas, which are like his "map" to reality. Similarly, groups of people, who are headed in the same direction, share a common world-view, and they base their policies on an ideology. In other words, a group's world-view is the system of values by which they judge everything else and decide what their common goals are, while ideologies are the theories and models they develop to reach those goals.

 

Destination = Value system (individuals) = World view (groups)

Maps = Ideas (individuals) = Ideology (groups)

 

Modernism VS Traditionalism

There's basically infinite numbers of potential ideologies and world-views, but they all belong to one of two categories, which are polar opposites and totally irreconcilable. Those two categories are modernism (often called materialism) and traditionalism (often called idealism). In modernism, the highest good is to be comfortable and safe, while avoiding pain and danger. Everything is good or bad according to that criteria. In traditionalism, the highest good is truth and the rejection of falsehoods. Everything is good or bad according to that criteria.

 

It's very important to note that for modernists, ideas, values and theories are *tools* to be used to attain material ends. Those things have no inherent value in themselves. If truth is in the way of feeling good, then truth must go. Inversely, for traditionalism, it is material conditions and possessions that are considered tools - used for the purpose of attaining and upholding truth. If comfort and safety are in the way of truth, those things must be sacrificed.

 

What is fascism?

Fascism is the traditional world-view, as it manifests in the modern world. This means fascism is primarily concerned with *truth*, which is to say, with objective reality. It also means that fascism is not an ideology, although fascists can employ ideologies to deal with specific circumstances when the need arises.

 

Fascism cannot be compared with ideologies like capitalism or communism, since those are simply alternate methods to reach the same goal (ie. the greatest comfort and safety for the greatest numbers), while fascism holds a completely different goal: to make human society embody the eternal truths of the universe.

 

Of course, since the world is a complex and mysterious place, which no one can claim to fully understand, implicit in the fascist world-view is the need to explore and experiment in order to attain a greater knowledge of the truth, which will be reflected in our laws and institutions. Inversely, the purpose of science in the modern world-view is to create gadgets for our pleasure and convenience, while uncomfortable findings are swept under the rug to allow liberal myths to go unchallenged.

 

Tenets of fascism

Ideologies like libertarianism are full of tenets, ideas that define them. For example, libertarians insist that since everyone is selfish, giving anyone a monopoly will lead to corruption. That is one of their tenets. By making a simple list of these tenets, it's possible to explain what the ideology is about quickly and easily. This is not possible with fascism, because fascism has no tenets. Indeed, fascists tend to be "racist", "socialist", "anti-semites" and many other things, but those are not inherent components of fascism or inherent personality traits of fascists. A fascist simply looks at the evidence and decides that reality is racist, human nature is that we are social animals, and jews have historically been a harmful influence on every society that hosted them. If it was proven the other way around, a fascist would adopt the opposite notion.

 

As such, fascism has no hard and fast tenets, but fascists are accumulating a mass of scientific and academic evidence that is "politically incorrect" for modern materialist society. As individuals grow and progress on the path of fascism, they will progressively acquaint themselves with this body of evidence, and thus approach truth.

 

Also, basic common sense and a cursory observation of nature will let anyone understand certain principles that govern the world. "The strong survive, while the weak perish". Such a banal notion that it barely needs saying, yet a revolutionary thing to affirm to a modernist. All of these simple principles can be learned by reading (or remembering!) the fables of Aesop, short stories written thousands of years ago and intended to teach common sense to children, yet which are now terribly "politically incorrect".

 

Walking on the path of truth

Being a fascist means walking on the path of truth - and this requires a weeding out of all falsehoods from our lives. This begins with the self: it is necessary to fully accept who and what we are (unlike the degenerates who reject their humanity, reject their gender, reject their race, their nation, their history, etc). As Rockwell said, you either believe in the scientific method and apply it to yourself, or you're only kidding yourself.

 

Walking on the path of truth means learning what is our place in the world and fulfilling that position. It means understanding that everything from individuals, to nations, races and species have their place in a cosmic hierarchy. This holds true even when we're faced with the uncomfortable notion that we're not at the top of that hierarchy.

 

When the social order reflects the natural order, which is to say that every member of society fulfills the role that is most appropriate to their nature, then that society has realized the fascist ideal.

 

Notes

This is not a final text, I intend to update this post until it's absolutely clear. Hopefully I can trim it down to a shorter length, and improve the flow of the text. Also, I don't want this to be a dry reading, so please tell me if you found this dry and boring or hard to read. My goal is to have a post I can point newbs towards when they arrive here full of misconceptions - without blowing their minds and boring them to tears with deep philosophical ramblings. Also please indicate if there's anything missing or incorrect that I need to adjust.

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Fascism is the traditional world-view

  That is a pretty bold statement considering how modern Fascism is in its most prominent traits, which are the traits that come to mind to your average liberal. I'm assuming you mean Tradition proper, as in the master Guenon, Sophia Perennis and all that jazz.

  If you mean traditional in a general way, then it is very vague and relative, 1950's America and revolutionary France are both shades of traditional. It would be more accurate though, to claim that Fascism is traditional in a general sense. It would be helpful to make this distinction, because some people who are serious spiritual seekers and serious about inner development may be end up thinking 3rd Reich Germany is one and the same with Tradition manifest as Catholicity in Europe.

 Really good post though, hope I'm not coming off as a faggot.

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Obviously he meant tradition here in the trans-historical constant sense of the word i.e. Guenon and Evola, ergo why he also mentions Truth and Reality as they are, you can understand that from the context unless you only know the common nowadays definition of tradition, in which case yeah a newcomer would need some clarification there but without going too deep into it.

 

Also, I'll be including a link to this in the introduction materials.

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how would a fascist social project look? describe a scenario.

 

I think we should look in direction of corporations, fraternities, orders, etc.

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how would a fascist social project look? describe a scenario.

 

I think we should look in direction of corporations, fraternities, orders, etc.

What exactly do you mean by a social project?

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Theres a lot of metaphor here rather than a banal mechanical point by point explanation, but i think that's unavoidable and why it's hard for many uninterested to understand what Fascism is, because it's just so differant, being a seperate worldview.

 

Unlike Marxism which like you said is just a differant method to reach a similar conclusions.

 

They want something that would fit in a dictionary.

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You're a role-model Zeiger.

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What exactly do you mean by a social project?

realistic plan of the future. and of course there should be somesort of a philosophy. it's for distrustful people who are prone to choose with their minds, and not with their hears.

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realistic plan of the future. and of course there should be somesort of a philosophy. it's for distrustful people who are prone to choose with their minds, and not with their hears.

what makes you fit for that?

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realistic plan of the future. and of course there should be somesort of a philosophy. it's for distrustful people who are prone to choose with their minds, and not with their hears.

Well, of course there are such plans. But this thread is about definitions, rather than real-world applications of ideas, that is something else and is discussed in other subforums.

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what makes you fit for that?

 

who told you it's about me? 

 

because the original post -- it's good, but it is also very basic. "fascism is idealism" - yes, of course. But what about forms in which this idealism could manifest? Original fascists had a lot of prerequisites - Neitzche, "crisis of culture", "death of the god" etc., they had poetic movements. Artistic movements. Dadaism. Modernism. Also, rememember the rise of the interest to the secret sciences and other techings. just image what an electrified time that was.

and what do we have now? nothing. memes. That's a shame.

 

we don't have any interesting creative Individuals. or these people do on their own. there is no common scene. I don't think that Sam Hyde and Varg Vikernes are in contact.

 

there is no decent corporation.

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Hey, captain newfag, how about reading things from the complimentary materials list you were given? Or just lurking more? Or just paying attention to OP? He specifically said this is to deliver a concise definition of Fascism without going too deep into it, if you want to go deeper then go back the materials or check the links in my signature.

 

 

 

rememember

 

Now I really itch to gas you. Shitty fucking meme puns - a new low.

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>not realizing dadaism is riding the tiger trough the shitfest that is mortal existance in the age of fucking iron with samsaric influences threatening to throw you off the tiger but you just say ''hey fuck you'' and ride the tiger trough the shitfest that is the modern world to deliver Kalki's spear so shit can tear down faster than you can get a baltic prostitute naked.

 

There's a meme for you meme-man.

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>not realizing dadaism is riding the tiger trough the shitfest that is mortal existance in the age of fucking iron with samsaric influences threatening to throw you off the tiger but you just say ''hey fuck you'' and ride the tiger trough the shitfest that is the modern world to deliver Kalki's spear so shit can tear down faster than you can get a baltic prostitute naked.

 

There's a meme for you meme-man.

 

all I'm saying we don't have this.. ok, -- blood of the Myth doesn't nourish us any more. It is mosaic.. like all our schizophrenic post informational world.

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who told you it's about me? 

 

because in the original post -- it's good, but it is also very basic. "fascism is idealism" - yes, of course. But what about forms in which this idealism could manifest? Original fascists had a lot of prerequisites - Neitzche, "crisis of culture", "death of the god" etc., they had poetic movements. Artistic movements. Dadaism. Modernism. Also, rememember the rise of the interest to the secret sciences and other techings. just image what an electrified time that was.

and what do we have now? nothing. memes. That's a shame.

 

we don't have any interesting creative Individuals. or these people do on their own. there is no common scene. I don't think that Sam Hyde and Varg Vikernes are in contact.

 

there is no decent corporation.

I understand, but really, this thread serves a different purpose. I urge you to desist from derailing threads.

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When the social order reflects the natural order [...] then that society has realized the fascist ideal.

I've always had that idea inside of me, but had trouble trying to put it into words or even incorporating it into thoughts, but you just did in such an awe-inspiringly clear manner.

 

Anyway, the piece was very easy to follow, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Keep it up.

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The best way to explain things to people who might not understand something immediately is by using short fiction and peppering it with sayings and common metaphores.

 

For example: You could talk about Duty as a story of a gardener who didn't protect his crops against weeds, fungal diseases, flooding etc. because he rathed had fun, which he would not have had if he worked the fields, but his desire to have fun then caused him and his faimily to go hungry. Duty being the sacrifice of your life, to make sure you and your family don't suffer later in life.

 

Another good one is the story about the frog and scorpion, basically Aesops fables and fairy tales.

 

If you can explain Fascism in several short stories, fables and fairy tales, then you have gotten to the right simple level of children and the lower classes.

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The best way to explain things to people who might not understand something immediately is by using short fiction and peppering it with sayings and common metaphores.

 

For example: You could talk about Duty as a story of a gardener who didn't protect his crops against weeds, fungal diseases, flooding etc. because he rathed had fun, which he would not have had if he worked the fields, but his desire to have fun then caused him and his faimily to go hungry. Duty being the sacrifice of your life, to make sure you and your family don't suffer later in life.

 

Another good one is the story about the frog and scorpion, basically Aesops fables and fairy tales.

 

If you can explain Fascism in several short stories, fables and fairy tales, then you have gotten to the right simple level of children and the lower classes.

Like you said and like I mentioned in my post, we don't need to write those stories, since Aesop has written all the fables we could ever need. For example, your gardener story already exists, it's called the ant and the grasshoper:

 

 

 

In a field one summer's day a Grasshopper was hopping about,

chirping and singing to its heart's content. An Ant passed by,

bearing along with great toil an ear of corn he was taking to the

nest.

"Why not come and chat with me," said the Grasshopper,

"instead of toiling and moiling in that way?"

"I am helping to lay up food for the winter," said the Ant,

"and recommend you to do the same."

"Why bother about winter?" said the Grasshopper; we have got

plenty of food at present." But the Ant went on its way and

continued its toil. When the winter came the Grasshopper had no

food and found itself dying of hunger, while it saw the ants

distributing every day corn and grain from the stores they had

collected in the summer. Then the Grasshopper knew:

    It is best to prepare for the days of necessity.

 

I especially like the short and sweet ones with no clear "lesson", who are just meant for redpilling children about the nature of things:

 

 

 

THE HARES harangued the assembly, and argued that all should be

equal. The Lions made this reply: "Your words, O Hares! are

good; but they lack both claws and teeth such as we have." 

 

Fascist should learn all these fables and tell them to their kids as bed time stories. Hell, you can even tell them to adults when they say stupid shit, and they'll look like fools:

 

 
Liberal: The white patriarchy is maintaining rape culture. Once the whites are a minority, things will be way better for women.
Fascist: Ahh, that reminds me of a little story. *cough*
 
THE PIGEONS, terrified by the appearance of a Kite, called upon
the Hawk to defend them. He at once consented. When they had
admitted him into the cote, they found that he made more havoc
and slew a larger number of them in one day than the Kite could
pounce upon in a whole year.
 
Liberal: Okay, I don't see how that's relevant.

Fascist: No, I wouldn't expect you to. But some day, you might learn the same lesson the pigeons learned. 

 

It's inspiring to think, as William pierce noted, that all the great men in our history heard these tales growing up and that they shaped their character.

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One thing that might be beyond the scope of this article, but is emphasized quite a bit by Guenon is the identity between being and knowing. This means that to really know some certain principle, one needs to realize it through being (huge oversimplification but this is the gist of it). For example, Aristotle said "the soul is precisely all that it knows," which is expressing this identity. This was the point of a lot of the rites and rituals and also the reason why fables or myths are used to pass on certain things. It is done not to directly pass knowledge in language, but in order to create a stimulus for a realization of principles that cannot be fully known through limiting language or theory.

When reading of this in Guenon, I was reminded of the fascist disdain for purely abstract intellectualism and preference for experiential knowledge. This is something that the ancients knew but that the various fascists understood intuitively despite the dominant modern theories of knowledge in their respective time periods.

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One thing that might be beyond the scope of this article, but is emphasized quite a bit by Guenon is the identity between being and knowing. This means that to really know some certain principle, one needs to realize it through being (huge oversimplification but this is the gist of it). For example, Aristotle said "the soul is precisely all that it knows," which is expressing this identity. This was the point of a lot of the rites and rituals and also the reason why fables or myths are used to pass on certain things. It is done not to directly pass knowledge in language, but in order to create a stimulus for a realization of principles that cannot be fully known through limiting language or theory.

When reading of this in Guenon, I was reminded of the fascist disdain for purely abstract intellectualism and preference for experiential knowledge. This is something that the ancients knew but that the various fascists understood intuitively despite the dominant modern theories of knowledge in their respective time periods.

It's an interesting notion, and it's indirectly addressed in the section "walking on the path of truth" where the fascist must face the truth about his own situation before trying to ascertain the truth about the world around him. I son't want to go in more detail for this definition, but you should write an article about it. Not enough people writing meaty content these days.

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At the risk of going a bit OT, I've gotten the impression that we're first and foremost a 'reflection' of the ''higher world''. We could either live in harmony with the higher world and thus be true to ourselves or we can lose ourselves in material things. We're not male/female because we got a lottery ticket before birth, but because that is the nature of our ''soul'' and thus manifesting in the physical world as man or woman. So being a trans-faggot is the worst thing you can be since it goes against the very nature of your being. What's basically happening now is that we're becoming more and more un-natural trough everything from assbandits to greedy capitalists, losing grip of the nature of ourselves.

 

So assuming my impression is correct, we're more than just a political movement per say, we manifest the natural order, ''truth''. And that is why we hate trans-faggots, queers and niggers in our lands. Not just because ''they are different'', but because they stand for everything we are not. Disorder. This being a spiritual conflict is more than empty words, it is reality. We are just a manifestation of it.

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There we go with those bold statements again.

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is emphasized quite a bit by Guenon is the identity between being and knowing.

 

Something Evola talks about as well by explaining how higher knowledge is always experience, i.e. you have to experience something yourself to know it, meaning you have to experience being something else to know its nature.

 

 

At the risk of going a bit OT, I've gotten the impression that we're first and foremost a 'reflection' of the ''higher world''. We could either live in harmony with the higher world and thus be true to ourselves or we can lose ourselves in material things. We're not male/female because we got a lottery ticket before birth, but because that is the nature of our ''soul'' and thus manifesting in the physical world as man or woman. So being a trans-faggot is the worst thing you can be since it goes against the very nature of your being. What's basically happening now is that we're becoming more and more un-natural trough everything from assbandits to greedy capitalists, losing grip of the nature of ourselves.

 

So assuming my impression is correct, we're more than just a political movement per say, we manifest the natural order, ''truth''. And that is why we hate trans-faggots, queers and niggers in our lands. Not just because ''they are different'', but because they stand for everything we are not. Disorder. This being a spiritual conflict is more than empty words, it is reality. We are just a manifestation of it.

 

100% correct and an understanding I've been promoting now for a while here.

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I don't see how Fascism cannot or should not be summarized in tenets, which is actually consistent with a body of facts as its basis, unlike the comprehensive logic of for example Marxism and capitalist theory. Yet many fascists are inclined to pure reason, and it doesn't work. For instance, when required to produce arguments against democracy a fascist will often expound a philosophical critique like "democracy is an egalitarian notion and humans are unequal", which is too abstract to describe the practical failures of democracy on a day-to-day basis. A more powerful point to make would be how democracies are inefficient because of all the special interests that need to be reconciled, or how they are incapable of long-term planning.

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Yet many fascists are inclined to pure reason, and it doesn't work. For instance, when required to produce arguments against democracy a fascist will often expound a philosophical critique like "democracy is an egalitarian notion and humans are unequal", which is too abstract to describe the practical failures of democracy on a day-to-day basis. A more powerful point to make would be how democracies are inefficient because of all the special interests that need to be reconciled, or how they are incapable of long-term planning. 

 

Don't know what you're talking about or what fascists you might be referring to - the democracy argument has already been run over from every possible angle, be it broad criticism of the core concepts on which it is built or the practical side to it, because democracy is the easiest argument to beat dead into the ground out there.

 

Check with Codreanu for example.

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