Thinking and Feeling

[Александр Славрос 8,499]

 

The principle difference between Fascists and common people stems from the strength of the spirit in one's Self, there is a qualitative difference involved that very much explains the concept of the Age of Heroes that comes about at the end of the Dark Age and ushers in the new Golden Age. This spiritual strength produces in us that feeling that something is wrong with everything that is around us, though we initially often fail to articulate or even pinpoint what it is that we are feeling. It is a form of intuition that comes from the Self that is not fully corrupted by its material, samsaric bindings.

 

Ultimately this also boils down to race, both biological and spiritual as the two are very closely connected - those of Aryan descent possess the potential for releasing in themselves the highest form of spiritual race that is most in tune with our Worldview and the Truth, whereas other races either experience a lesser potential to have even secondary relation to that spiritual nature or are barred from it entirely and only have potential for the  lesser forms of spiritual race, some of which are inherently driven to relish in the material world as being the end all be all of things.

 

Thus we find a new point as to why Fascism could only come about from biological races of Aryan descent, which also reinforces the notion of there being a racial hierarchy in the world.

 

But through involution, degeneration and race mixing fewer and fewer people can experience that connection to a higher spiritual calling even among Aryan descendants, thus leaving only those of the strongest spirit, which upon realization of the true nature of things take such a violent stand against the Modern World and all of its ills, manifesting as a fanatical, dogmatic but quantitatively small force. Only those who Feel can be truly fanatical, only those who know Love can manifest true Hate, whereas those who only Think are too preoccupied with calculating favorable conditions for self-preservation.

 

Using this strength and subsequent intuition we navigate ourselves around what information is available in the material world, however the nature of that information is produced by people who operate from a limited, material perception of the world, driven by Thinking. Here I am talking about Thinking as the degenerate counterpart to Contemplation, Thinking as the intellectual, philosophical process of either abstract or aimless mental exercises respectively. I often bring up as an example Zeno's Paradoxes, namely the one where Achilles can never catch up to the tortoise, here you have logical thinking existing in abstract vacuum - it makes perfect sense in that space but is not applicable to reality. The factor missing in it is speed. We can bring up the Marxist concept of Historical Materialism that likewise is missing a factor that would show its inconsistency with reality because it exists in its own abstract narrative just like the logic that doesn't allow Achilles to catch up to the tortoise. Which is not to completely dismiss Historical Materialism, because it does have its validity but only in a degenerate world, meaning that it can be applied to Modernity, but not to the higher order of Life that used to exist prior to it.

 

I'll also once again bring up my point on how this explains the number of Fascists that came from communism - we share with Marxists certain points of criticism in the scope of modernity, but with their limited perception they make the wrong logical conclusion as to how they should react to the state of affairs and thus follow a downwards trajectory, whereas Fascists have used their intuition to argue for an upwards trajectory and that is the point of departure for Fascists from communism. They utilize their limited, abstract Thinking and get an answer that further drives Involution, we utilize our Feeling that guides us to fight for the restoration of a superior order. 

 

The modern world is foremost driven by people who can Think and that has been exactly the problem, Fascism is a movement of those who can Feel the Truth and with each generation we had been moving closer to fully comprehending what it is that we fight for in its entirety.

 

This also shows why we have such disdain for people who come to Fascism out of some sperg/autist notion that Fascism is "logical" in the sense that is driven solely by logical thinking devoid of emotions, where optimization and practicality are key rather than standing for something that is Right, and it is typically these people that limit Fascism to political programs in the socio-economic sphere and insist on writing their pointed manifestos that are a result of their Thinking.

 

 

And mind you, I'm talking about logic as the abstract subject onto itself, there's literally university courses about logic that consist of making up logic formulas that exist in a vacuum. When we on average say that something is "logical" in an everyday conversation we mostly imply that it makes sense, it fits and helps explain things that are not directly relevant to the subject matter, so they go beyond just their field of abstract thinking and concerns itself with life at large. Yet a lot of our enemies, these libcollege educated Thinkers will often toss logical fallacies at us as if they were conclusive arguments. "Slippery slope" is what they love to use most of all and yet they don't use it to negate Algorithms. "No True Scotsman" is something I imagine they'd use against us if we were to explain to them how we don't consider white degenerates to be truly white because their fallacy completely misses a qualitative element, but they will commit this fallacy themselves in defense of Muslims: "real muslims are peaceful and would never commit terrorism".

 

 

This is the principle issue, modern men are subject to limited perception of reality and can only operate with that limited knowledge in the fields of profane science, which is all well and good but it leaves out a whole other dimension that completes the picture of how life operates and without which coming to the correct conclusions is impossible, meaning that no matter how hard you Think it you will never get it.

 

There are plenty of people who can Think but they are stuck in a rut. We need men who can Feel what is Right and Feel the need to fight for the Truth.

[👌✔️💯😜😈😭👌👌 1,326]

Marxism stops where my feelings begin!

[Fascism=Fun 971]

I felt before I could think. I FEEL!

 

 

 

 

[Malhard 571]

Just don't go full tumblr with the rejection of science and logic eh?

[Александр Славрос 8,499]

Except there's literally nothing here about rejecting science and logic when its not an isolated subject onto itself. Point is that just like that kind of logic reaches a point at which it no longer reflects reality because it doesn't use all knowledge, so does profane science reach its limits at a certain point unless it starts cooperating with metaphysical knowledge.

[Malhard 571]

My brain won't let me outside of physics and. .ya know, reality so this whole metaphysics discussion just makes me kind of glaze over.  But we don't need it.  Kill dry logic, math and science proves us right.  But I guess that makes me an autist. 

[Александр Славрос 8,499]

>can't comprehend it

>don't need it

 

Pretty sure that's the excuse of most liberals too.

[Malhard 571]

There is objectively nothing to comprehend outside of physical reality.

[Александр Славрос 8,499]

You seem to be deeply triggered by any statement contrary to that. Are you one of those yank atheists who just can't not sperg about evolution as opposed to creationism?

[Neizbezhnost 1,302]

There is objectively nothing to comprehend outside of physical reality.

 

Oh good, all spirituality has been invalidated forever. Our existence is purely mechanistic. Tradition is pointless because our ancestors are already dead. We can go home now.

[Odin 1,389]

Your feelings should strengthen your thoughts and intentions. More people need to be filled with rage.

[☧☧☧ 486]

Gnosis?

[Malhard 571]

You seem to be deeply triggered by any statement contrary to that. Are you one of those yank atheists who just can't not sperg about evolution as opposed to creationism?

 

Consider what spirituality means on this continent.  There are two options, both are disgusting.  There is the Judaism lite or Protestantism option or the neo-hippie faux half buddhist/hindu shit that progressives try to pimp.  All forms of spirituality in North America equate to passive, forgiving, peaceful, self-sacrificing cuckoldry.  You see, religion and spirituality is hopelessly tied to very anti-fascist sentiments in our culture.  I know this may seem odd to you and hard to pick up on from the other side of the planet, see I don't pretend to understand the cultural norms and nuances of Russia because I can't possibly do that as a Yank on the other side of the planet.

 

You don't get it.  Spirituality and religion to Americans means peace and love and self sacrifice and loving the nigger thats stabbing you in the face.  Its gotta go.  What works here is the statistical data, science and math that proves that niggers are animals and savages.

[Kalash 1,520]

You don't get it.  Spirituality and religion to Americans means peace and love and self sacrifice and loving the nigger thats stabbing you in the face.  Its gotta go.  What works here is the statistical data, science and math that proves that niggers are animals and savages.

 

You sound like some bourgeois conservative faggot right now

 

*oh noes the savage 'groids will destroy our beautiful suburban communities with their perfectly manicured lawns and mcmansions where the housewives watch sitcoms and stockbrokers come home to od on cocaine, our materialist existence will never be sustained by this onslaught of third world hordes! save us lord jeebus*

 

Fuck that shit, burn it all down, build something better.

[Neizbezhnost 1,302]

You don't get it.  Spirituality and religion to Americans means peace and love and self sacrifice and loving the nigger thats stabbing you in the face.  Its gotta go.  What works here is the statistical data, science and math that proves that niggers are animals and savages.

 

Except it doesn't work. That's the stormfront plan. Look at stormfront. People have been making graphs and articles for the last fifty years explaining in the best objective, scientific terms how niggers have lower IQs and commit more crime. It doesn't work because antis, the people who are opposed to us, don't give a fuck about "truth". They have their own worldviews and objectives. While these people hold a monopoly over what is considered good, what is truth will be irrelevant. Nobody will ever reach the heads of the people while their hearts belong to the enemy.

[GenericNationalism 325]

 

 

 All forms of spirituality in North America equate to passive, forgiving, peaceful, self-sacrificing cuckoldry.  You see, religion and spirituality is hopelessly tied to very anti-fascist sentiments in our culture.

What works here is the statistical data, science and math that proves that niggers are animals and savages.

 Definitely, Americans are very down to earth and material about most things, and will be more convinced by statistics or history than these in depth writings that go over a specific part of our worldview.  The problem is that Americans especially southerners will always believe in whatever their church is telling them.  Protestant churches during the 1920s were closely linked with the KKK's politics which were anti black, immigrant, catholic, jew, pacifist, internationalist, and evolution.  Now that's flipped except for evolution, because the churches merely changed their sermons which in turn changed peoples' beliefs.  Regardless the past is gone and about every church in the US is against us, and even when they aren't it's stupid shit like Christian Identity.

[Glanton 234]

Statistics won't do shit to change the large majority of peoples minds. In majority-nigger cities the evidence that groids are worthless savages is literally up in your face everyday. You'd think that 10 murders a day, countless armed robberies, and getting called a "dumb cracker" by some smug ape would turn a liberal over, but I've seen white liberals take every kind of abuse from these creatures. They just get butthurt, whine about how "omg we're all people this is bad for the cause," and return to their tumblr virtual reality. It's unreal, but it just is. The only way to fix this supermarket pretending to be a nation is through unfettered violence and total war. When tshtf, we will win. The ship just has to sink first, and fascists in the states have to organize to seize the lifeboats.

[Malhard 571]

Except it doesn't work. That's the stormfront plan. Look at stormfront. People have been making graphs and articles for the last fifty years explaining in the best objective, scientific terms how niggers have lower IQs and commit more crime. It doesn't work because antis, the people who are opposed to us, don't give a fuck about "truth". They have their own worldviews and objectives. While these people hold a monopoly over what is considered good, what is truth will be irrelevant. Nobody will ever reach the heads of the people while their hearts belong to the enemy.

 

Your approach was hopelessly defeated 50 years ago too.  So what now?  The church is on their side.  What are you going to do, found some new religion?  If inescapable, undeniable truth, fact and reason are lost on a society then the society is lost.  Burn it down.

[Malhard 571]

You sound like some bourgeois conservative faggot right now

 

*oh noes the savage 'groids will destroy our beautiful suburban communities with their perfectly manicured lawns and mcmansions where the housewives watch sitcoms and stockbrokers come home to od on cocaine, our materialist existence will never be sustained by this onslaught of third world hordes! save us lord jeebus*

 

Fuck that shit, burn it all down, build something better.

 

You gonna summon Odin or Thor?  Really, what symbol, banner or deity do you even apply to Americans?  There is none.  Nothing real or authentic or organic in a spiritual manner can be claimed by Americans without being hilariously disingenuous.  I guess we could use the dollar sign like we've been taught.  I'm with you on burning it down and building something else.  But reaching backwards to some past . .anything for Americans doesn't work.  We have no past.  We have no roots.  We have no heritage.  Its been a fucking kike money grubbing adventure since Jamestown.  Build a mythos on that. .. try it.

[Glanton 234]

You gonna summon Odin or Thor?  Really, what symbol, banner or deity do you even apply to Americans?  There is none.  Nothing real or authentic or organic in a spiritual manner can be claimed by Americans without being hilariously disingenuous.  I guess we could use the dollar sign like we've been taught.  I'm with you on burning it down and building something else.  But reaching backwards to some past . .anything for Americans doesn't work.  We have no past.  We have no roots.  We have no heritage.  Its been a fucking kike money grubbing adventure since Jamestown.  Build a mythos on that. .. try it.

 

The entire premise of futurism (i.e. burning it down) as described in the American context is a remedy to the issue of Americans lacking any real ethnic identity and the fact that our entire history is inseparable from liberalism. White Americans had a chance to build an ethnicity and a national state but threw it all away and created the clusterfuck we have now. I agree that the church in the U.S. is worthless to us (just look at protestant Israel shillery), but nobody is suggesting that we cook up a pagan spergfest to fix our problems and its pretty much agreed here that reaching into the past is not an option in our case. Fascism will be our spirituality and our future after we destroy the past and present.

[Ethiopian Monarchist 136]

Statistics won't do shit to change the large majority of peoples minds. In majority-nigger cities the evidence that groids are worthless savages is literally up in your face everyday. You'd think that 10 murders a day, countless armed robberies, and getting called a "dumb cracker" by some smug ape would turn a liberal over, but I've seen white liberals take every kind of abuse from these creatures. They just get butthurt, whine about how "omg we're all people this is bad for the cause," and return to their tumblr virtual reality. It's unreal, but it just is. The only way to fix this supermarket pretending to be a nation is through unfettered violence and total war. When tshtf, we will win. The ship just has to sink first, and fascists in the states have to organize to seize the lifeboats.

And I can't wait, seriously the sooner the better, I rather you take out 90% of the Black community and I start over with the normal ten percent and create an enclave when the USA as a country fails and it's stateless, we can go back to the segregation days,only we have our own state, to succeed or fail is on us and regardless of the outcome, we will no longer use the Blame whitey excuse.

[Kalash 1,520]

You gonna summon Odin or Thor?  Really, what symbol, banner or deity do you even apply to Americans?  There is none.  Nothing real or authentic or organic in a spiritual manner can be claimed by Americans without being hilariously disingenuous.  I guess we could use the dollar sign like we've been taught.  I'm with you on burning it down and building something else.  But reaching backwards to some past . .anything for Americans doesn't work.  We have no past.  We have no roots.  We have no heritage.  Its been a fucking kike money grubbing adventure since Jamestown.  Build a mythos on that. .. try it.

 

We will be our own mythos, we will be our own heroes, our deities will be formed in rivers of fire and blood and from that something new and beautiful might be created. Only through action and utter narcissism might we be saved.

 

Worse situations have been surmounted in the past, and Rome wasn't built in a day. It emerged out of barbarism, rose into greatness, fell into decadence and disappeared into barbarism once more. We are simply the latest in a long line of barbarians, and that is the heritage we must claim. 

[Krsnik 862]

My brain won't let me outside of physics and. .ya know, reality so this whole metaphysics discussion just makes me kind of glaze over.  But we don't need it.  Kill dry logic, math and science proves us right.  But I guess that makes me an autist. 

 

Science and logic can't tell one why he should act towards any certain ends. Zeiger actually made a good post on this recently, but it may have been overlooked because it was in the trivial happenings thread:

 

 

Utilitarianism completely misses the point of morality, to the point where it's childish. The thought process basically goes like this:

 

1. Hey, where do all these moral rules come from? Humans, right? Then those rules have no inherent value, we can make them whatever we want!

2. So what rules do we make? Oh, let's be all rational and scientific about it, we'll just find out which rules give the best practical results.

3. Okay, this is great, this works really well, so morality is based on utility value.

 

So basically, they just assume from the start that the point of life is just to make money and have as much pleasure as possible, and make sure that the government's figures improve, etc and think they've solved the problem of morality by making rules based on that. 

 

NO, retards, the problem of morality is figuring out WHAT the point of life IS - the rest of the job is just a matter of trial and error and common sense!

 

All morality is utilitarian (except for the dull people who get their morals from religious dogma or whatever), the difficult part is to find out what that utility IS - the "end result" being sought after. This is only obscured by people who think specific moral rules come from on high and that their only reason for existing is because they please god or whatever. But anyone with a functioning mind can tell that there's a good practical reason why killing and stealing are bad, and having stable loving families is good.

 

This is also at the core of fascism, and is what distinguishes us from modern ideologies. Liberalism, capitalism, communism and others, they only disagree on which method will bring about the most wealth and pleasure to the most people. Fascism doesn't hold comfort, security and wealth as the ultimate good, and thus would never consider a economic analysis of morality to be legitimate.

 

There is nothing science or logic can say in this regard because it is a matter of foundational values and axioms, as is all of logic and science itself. For example, if you don't accept the axioms of propositional logic, then all of math based in it is nullified thus all mathematical scientific models are as well.

 

I think feeling is probably a misleading term to use for it because it conjures thoughts of muh feels and the truth stops where my feelings begin sort of thing, but this is a lower feeling and not what is meant here.

[Odin 1,389]

My brain won't let me outside of physics and. .ya know, reality so this whole metaphysics discussion just makes me kind of glaze over.  But we don't need it.  Kill dry logic, math and science proves us right.  But I guess that makes me an autist.

I'm the nuclear physics engineer guy and I can still easily grasp and understand concepts that are not pure logic in the pure science sense, especially how Slavros presents them, that is what drew me back to IM so much. But yea, I am going to tell you this now, life is not all numbers (yes I know you can say it is [muh fibonachi sequence]) it took me awhile to grow out of my childhood arrogance of thinking it was just numbers but now I can confidently say that is not the case.

[Александр Славрос 8,499]

 

Consider what spirituality means on this continent.  There are two options, both are disgusting.  There is the Judaism lite or Protestantism option or the neo-hippie faux half buddhist/hindu shit that progressives try to pimp.  All forms of spirituality in North America equate to passive, forgiving, peaceful, self-sacrificing cuckoldry.  You see, religion and spirituality is hopelessly tied to very anti-fascist sentiments in our culture.  I know this may seem odd to you and hard to pick up on from the other side of the planet, see I don't pretend to understand the cultural norms and nuances of Russia because I can't possibly do that as a Yank on the other side of the planet.

 

You don't get it.  Spirituality and religion to Americans means peace and love and self sacrifice and loving the nigger thats stabbing you in the face.  Its gotta go.  What works here is the statistical data, science and math that proves that niggers are animals and savages.

 

You should've started with this rather than saying how there is MOST CERTAINLY DEFINITELY OBJECTIVELY NOTHING OUT THERE!

 

Now consider the following: degeneracy is everywhere, not just in terms of society but even in spiritual practices that still exist - everything has been turned to shit long ago, including Buddhism, Christianity and others. Literally the subject of my other thread. So frankly your point that spirituality is specifically suffering in USA is hardly an argument, because spirituality is suffering everywhere, which is why New Right Buddhism/Orthodoxy converts are faggots who don't get the point how real spiritual teachings are all essentially the same so there is no point for conversion and moreover they don't realize that it is all long since degenerate and corrupted.

 

What this means is reinvention, purification or creation of entirely new spiritual teachings, in the US creation of something totally new is entirely valid per the Futurism direction, modern spiritual teachings and religious institutions are just as much a subject to destruction, rebuilding and redefining as temporal norms and institutions. So your whining is invalid, I don't care what spirituality means in USA because you're looking at it through the wrong strata, it's not different in another country, it's not spirituality in USA vs spirituality in Russia, it's about Modern spirituality vs True spirituality and we live in a modern shitfest. It is also why talk of moving to a different country because it's supposedly less degenerate is bullshit - by our standards everywhere today is shit, we can only talk of where it is worse rather than where it is better.

 

And here's the kicker: you seem to imply that spiritual teaching has to be a part of your propaganda to win people over - that's contradictory to the very point of what our worldview entails, you don't use spiritual teachings to convert people to your side, this topic is not a propaganda piece to win over the average joe, it is about you as a fascist better understanding your worldview. Moreover Futurism specifically doesn't care for the average joe. You don't use what is supposed to be private knowledge of the initiates to win over lower caste modern morons, that's why we oppose exoteric religions in general.

 

What Kalash said here is brilliant and it reminds me once again of that article from old REAKTION that I suppose we have to bring up once again because of how valuable it is for impressing that Futurist mentality: