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Is National Socialism Fascist?

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There is alot of desinformation about the question of Fascism, and the reason is that most people who talk about the issue don't know anything about it. The term is frequently used to define the nationalist and anti-communist european movements, especially those from the first half of the twentieth century.


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In fact, the term "fascism" doesn't seem to have an unique explanation, since people use it for whatever they want, be it to catalog nationalist movements or for any aspect of politics which they are against, in a depreciative way.

National Socialism is almost always linked to the fascist movement of the 20s and also considered by many as a "fascist ideology". It is often said that National Socialism is a branch of Mussolini movement, or that somehow it is was influenced by him, or even that it is Fascism with racial principles applied. All these false claims are the result of defamation and speculation.

National Socialism has its origin in Fascism? NO.
Both the Fascist Party (PNF) and the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) were created in the year 1919. Thus, the two movements have emerged around the same time and there is little, if any, contact between them. The reason that there are certain similarities is simply because they were born in an historical context which was fertile for nationalist and anti-communist groups.
While National Socialism arose from the formation of a world view, Fascism emerged as an anti-ideological movement, based only on the post-marxist unionism. It appeared as a system of circumstance, a reaction to the advance communism and anarchism in Italy.

Fascism did not have a concrete doctrine as National Socialism, just a counter-revolutionary plan against the red movements. In his manifesto there was no trace of doctrinal or spiritual inspiration, just political demands such as: the female vote, reorganization of the transport sector, reducing the minimum age for retirement, abolition of the Senate, etc. ... Measures almost nothing revolutionary when compared to the National Socialist movement.

In the year 1922, the March on Rome occurs when thousands of Blackshirt put Mussolini in power. On the 9th of November 1923, the National Socialists try the same thing in Munich and fail, resulting in massive arrests, including Adolf Hitler.
If, in any way, Fascism inspired National Socialism it was on the idea of ​​a coup and the formation of paramilitary forces like the Black Shirts and the SA, ideas that never convinced the people. This does not include the ideological level.
In 1920, Gottfried Feder and Adolf Hitler had already formulated NSDAP 25 points and, in 1925, the book Mein Kampf was published in Germany, while Mussolini had nothing besides a simple nationalist and anti-communist discourse. The achievements of the Fascist Party were merely political and administrative, lacking a doctrine or a complete vision of the world as National Socialism.
Then, in 1932, the word "fascism" appears in the Italian Encyclopedia, in a space of 37 pages filled with photos and illustrations. This was the only attempt of Mussolini, ten years after the rise to power, to include a doctrinal and philosophical aspect in its movement. Although the text is signed by Duce, it is known that it was written almost entirely by Giovanni Gentile. This same text was then published in book form in 1935, ten years after the release of Mein Kampf.

Although Hitler cultivated a sincere friendship with Mussolini for years, in no way he got carried away by his ideas, which were almost only political and economic, while keeping defending a completely new worldview. If Adolf Hitler admired the Duce, it was for leading Italy as the first European country to fight communism, never for his ideas.

It's much more likely that the National Socialist ideology inspired the attempt of Fascism to create a doctrine. Like the Irish Fascists for example who added their ethnic and racial consciousness, and could be easily considered National Socialists.

The fascist philosophy never had any racial character prior to the contact with National Socialism. In fact, the first anti-Zionist fascist currents did not appear until 1938, five years after Hitler came to power and sixteen after Mussolini. The most surprising is that there was a reasonable amount of Jews in the fascist movement, often occupying important positions and even after 1938, very few of these Jews lost their positions in the "Italian" state.
This Fascist state declared that foreign jews with more than 65 years old and that before 1938 had married italians were now considered italians - this is miscegenation that National Socialists tried to prevent. The jews don't assimilate, they create a state inside another and are conserved through parasitism of other people, and therefore can never be regarded as European. Only the exclusive statist and political vision of Fascism and other 'democracies' can accept zionists in their fatherland and call them nationals.

Is it possible to be Fascist and National Socialist? There may be the case in some states that only have one ethnicity, as the island of Ireland, in which there are cases of fascists with racial and ethnic consciousness, but in practice that would be National Socialism and there would not be any mixture as it happens in the Spanish, Portuguese, French or Italian states.

"The state is a means to an end. Its purpose is the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and spiritually homogeneous life-essences."
"The human right nullifies the right of the state"
Adolf Hitler

For National Socialism the state is a means to preserve the race, to improve the man, it is an organic instrument created by man for man. The National Socialist state conception exists only while the people accept it, for it exists for them.
It's the human races that create the culture, values ​​and civilization. The state only preserves and cooperates in its progress. The state is an administrative and political aplication of a number of values developed naturally over time by the people.


All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.
Benito Mussolini

For Fascism the State is everything. The state formulates and implements the life of Man. Individual needs are suppressed, while the purpose is ALWAYS the state. The state does not exist for Man, but the Man for the state. The state produces, the state creates the nation and the people.
Fascism never believed in a natural and organic community, it did not have the idea of blood, or even people (folk), it was just a model of political state in an area demarcated by geographic maps.

In this regard, Fascism does not differ much from the current "democracies" that are merely political states without conservation of the race and culture and with no moral or value. As European governments now accept non-European immigrants, the Fascist State also accepted and even regarded them as nationals.

The Fascist conception of the State is, in principle, purely political and administrative. Thus, totally unnatural and therefore anti-National Socialist. Fascist vision of the world is in constant conflict with ours (National Socialist), so there would never be a state that was both Fascist and National Socialist.

It is absolutely impossible to be Fascist and National Socialist at the same time because they are radically opposed ideologies and doctrines on essential points. National Socialism presents a worldview grounded in natural laws and driven by noble ideals where conservation and progress of the Nation is the purpose of life, and through the state, this goal is achieved. As for Fascism the Nation is nothing, the state is everything and people are nothing more than subjects of the government.

We have nothing to do with the fascist movement or 'doctrine'. One National Socialist is exclusively National Socialist.

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Thoughts?

You're gay and no one cares about THIS fucking question anymore. The answer is YES! Always has been and always will be.

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You're gay and no one cares about THIS fucking question anymore. The answer is YES! Always has been and always will be.

http://ironmarch.org...orm-of-fascism/

Do you have anything to say against what's written in this article or you're just going to be butthurt like that?
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If you mean am I going to call you a fag then yes, that's exactly what I'm going to do.

This whole fascist/national socialist stuff is all semantic bickering. National socialism is a form of fascism and that's all anyone really needs to know, I'm not going to write an essay about something so common sensical.
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But then I began to wonder "how come"? Certainly environment was important. Anybody could see that. But it was obviously negative. You can make a helpless boob out of a born genius by raising him locked in a dark closet. But you can't make a genius out of a drooling idiot, even by sending him to Brown. - Commander George Lincoln Rockwell

I don't want to overemphasize the effects of nurture. It is clear that many of our personality traits are inborn. Even many of the worst traits that we see in journalists and other members of the "me" generation are inborn traits which merely have been strengthened and brought to the fore by the disastrous nurturing environment of the 1960s and 1970s. In a healthier nurturing environment healthier traits are brought to the fore and unhealthy traits are at least partially suppressed. - William Luther Pierce
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If you mean am I going to call you a fag then yes, that's exactly what I'm going to do.

This whole fascist/national socialist stuff is all semantic bickering. National socialism is a form of fascism and that's all anyone really needs to know, I'm not going to write an essay about something so common sensical.

Shut up, pleb. If you're not willing to discuss or understand matters then refrain from (shit)posting. No one cares about your personal opinion on the matter considering it's not based on actual knowledge and facts.
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Didn't we have a thread for this?

National Socialism is a Fascism, Fascism is not only National Socialism, pretty simple.

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Didn't we have a thread for this?

National Socialism is a Fascism, Fascism is not only National Socialism, pretty simple.


This. The rest sort of falls apart after that. People try to look in to it so much.

Just look at the overall picture. It obviously is. It's not = to Italian fascism (referring to the image in OPs post), obviously. But to say there are no other forms of fascism..... I don't even know how to address that, it's just asinine, really. It really is as simple as what État de Stase said.

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Same
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Someone is seriously asking this question?

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Yes. Stop debating it.
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The way that article puts it, national socialism is better than what is defined as fascism.

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Shut up, pleb. If you're not willing to discuss or understand matters then refrain from (shit)posting. No one cares about your personal opinion on the matter considering it's not based on actual knowledge and facts.

lol, fag.
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But then I began to wonder "how come"? Certainly environment was important. Anybody could see that. But it was obviously negative. You can make a helpless boob out of a born genius by raising him locked in a dark closet. But you can't make a genius out of a drooling idiot, even by sending him to Brown. - Commander George Lincoln Rockwell

I don't want to overemphasize the effects of nurture. It is clear that many of our personality traits are inborn. Even many of the worst traits that we see in journalists and other members of the "me" generation are inborn traits which merely have been strengthened and brought to the fore by the disastrous nurturing environment of the 1960s and 1970s. In a healthier nurturing environment healthier traits are brought to the fore and unhealthy traits are at least partially suppressed. - William Luther Pierce
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There are both differences and similarities between Fascism and National Socialism. Italian and British Fascism stood for a Corporate State, but German National Socialism did not. Italian Fascism was not at first particularly racialist or anti-Semitic, but later became influenced by German NS. Mosley's British Union of Fascists always stated that a man should be attacked for what he does, and not for his race or religion, as the BUF wanted to govern a British Empire of many different races and religions. Hitler was inspired by the example of Mussolini, and he copied the Roman salute of the Italian Fascisti, and tried to emulate the March on Rome, with the Munich Beer Hall Putsch. Mosley wrote that because Fascism was an intensely nationalistic movement, it would take uniquely different forms in each country where it arose, suited to local temperament, character and culture.

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National Socialism is fascist but Fascism isn't national socialist.

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Didn't we have a thread for this?

National Socialism is a Fascism, Fascism is not only National Socialism, pretty simple.


This. The rest sort of falls apart after that. People try to look in to it so much.

Just look at the overall picture. It obviously is. It's not = to Italian fascism (referring to the image in OPs post), obviously. But to say there are no other forms of fascism..... I don't even know how to address that, it's just asinine, really. It really is as simple as what État de Stase said.

Same
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worldview
end
of
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story

Someone is seriously asking this question?

Yes. Stop debating it.

National Socialism is fascist but Fascism isn't national socialist.

So much butthurt. At least try to refute anything presented in the article before shitposting.
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Uhhh, Explain explain yourself! Dr Goebbels says: There is so much national socialism National Socialists !
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So much butthurt. At least try to refute anything presented in the article before shitposting.

I told you no one cares about this, gay boy.
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But then I began to wonder "how come"? Certainly environment was important. Anybody could see that. But it was obviously negative. You can make a helpless boob out of a born genius by raising him locked in a dark closet. But you can't make a genius out of a drooling idiot, even by sending him to Brown. - Commander George Lincoln Rockwell

I don't want to overemphasize the effects of nurture. It is clear that many of our personality traits are inborn. Even many of the worst traits that we see in journalists and other members of the "me" generation are inborn traits which merely have been strengthened and brought to the fore by the disastrous nurturing environment of the 1960s and 1970s. In a healthier nurturing environment healthier traits are brought to the fore and unhealthy traits are at least partially suppressed. - William Luther Pierce
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National Socialism is a sub-type of fascism along with Strasserism,National Syndicalism, and Corporatism

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along with Strasserism,National Syndicalism, and Corporatism


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Wouldn't National Syndicalism be considered more "proto-fascist", instead of fascist proper?





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